Comments on: Stuff http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/ An Autiblogger.com weblog Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:45:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: mumisthinking http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-725 mumisthinking Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:15:51 +0000 http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-725 Thank you for the link, Joe, that's the one :) Ms Clark, I like that. I wonder if that was what the real giraffe was thinking when I took the reference photo? :) It does seem fitting :) Thank you for the link, Joe, that’s the one :)

Ms Clark, I like that. I wonder if that was what the real giraffe was thinking when I took the reference photo? :) It does seem fitting :)

]]> By: Ms. Clark http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-724 Ms. Clark Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:08:20 +0000 http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-724 Idea for the caption: "Get a life." Not you... that's what the giraffe seems to be saying. :-) Idea for the caption:

“Get a life.”

Not you… that’s what the giraffe seems to be saying. :-)

]]> By: Joe http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-722 Joe Sat, 20 Jan 2007 04:31:24 +0000 http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-722 The movie you're looking for is the 1983 classic, "A Christmas Story" [url]http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0085334/[/url] The movie you’re looking for is the 1983 classic, “A Christmas Story”

[url]http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0085334/[/url]

]]> By: mumisthinking http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-719 mumisthinking Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:38:03 +0000 http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-719 Ed, I've never seen an opinion of yours that didn't need to be said. I'm glad you added yours here, you make excellent points. Funny, I thought of you when I wrote the word 'stuck' here, I've seen you talk about this phenomenon of 'stuckness', and it perfectly captures something I've often felt and had not words for. Stuck. Thank you so much for adding your views, you've said well something I couldn't put words to. Bonnie I've often wondered where this idea originated, perhaps you're right and a doctor suggested it. I can't imagine the parents came up with it, but having heard they are both health care professionals makes me wonder. I guess ultimately it doesn't matter whose idea it was, but it's one of the many points of this case that I dwell (too much) on. Sharon, I have a secret love of rude words lol. Just don't tell my kids that, ok?! Someone (I can't remember who) raised the possibility that this case is a hoax meant to raise these issues to the public. I keep hoping that is the case, that would be excellent. We do need to talk about this. I just hate to think it's real, or that it was actually done, or that someone really thought this through and gave the go ahead on this. It's so hard to even think about this as reality for a child and a family somewhere. This scares me. If something happened to my husband and myself, our son would have no one to protect him from the 'ethics' of our society. Realising that is where depression hit me, and it was so hard to shake off. Ed, I’ve never seen an opinion of yours that didn’t need to be said. I’m glad you added yours here, you make excellent points. Funny, I thought of you when I wrote the word ’stuck’ here, I’ve seen you talk about this phenomenon of ’stuckness’, and it perfectly captures something I’ve often felt and had not words for. Stuck. Thank you so much for adding your views, you’ve said well something I couldn’t put words to.

Bonnie I’ve often wondered where this idea originated, perhaps you’re right and a doctor suggested it. I can’t imagine the parents came up with it, but having heard they are both health care professionals makes me wonder. I guess ultimately it doesn’t matter whose idea it was, but it’s one of the many points of this case that I dwell (too much) on.

Sharon, I have a secret love of rude words lol. Just don’t tell my kids that, ok?!

Someone (I can’t remember who) raised the possibility that this case is a hoax meant to raise these issues to the public. I keep hoping that is the case, that would be excellent. We do need to talk about this. I just hate to think it’s real, or that it was actually done, or that someone really thought this through and gave the go ahead on this. It’s so hard to even think about this as reality for a child and a family somewhere.

This scares me. If something happened to my husband and myself, our son would have no one to protect him from the ‘ethics’ of our society. Realising that is where depression hit me, and it was so hard to shake off.

]]> By: Sharon http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-716 Sharon Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:48:07 +0000 http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-716 Hiya MiT That picture is fantastic! It made me smile so much. Wish I could think of a caption, well I can think of a few but they all include rude words ;-) Totally agree with all the points you raised. I 'judge' the medics and ethics professionals who suggested/agreed to such a procedure more so than the parents. Ed has raised some important points too, that sadly, services are not geared to meet the individual's needs so much as their parent's and society's. Hiya MiT
That picture is fantastic! It made me smile so much. Wish I could think of a caption, well I can think of a few but they all include rude words ;-)

Totally agree with all the points you raised. I ‘judge’ the medics and ethics professionals who suggested/agreed to such a procedure more so than the parents.
Ed has raised some important points too, that sadly, services are not geared to meet the individual’s needs so much as their parent’s and society’s.

]]> By: Ed http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-715 Ed Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:18:17 +0000 http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-715 I completely agree. (With what Bonnie said that is) I completely agree. (With what Bonnie said that is)

]]> By: Bonnie Ventura http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-714 Bonnie Ventura Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:09:37 +0000 http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-714 "Judging the parents isn't the point, asking if this procedure should be performed on other children IS." Yes, the parents probably acted on the advice of an ethics-impaired doctor. It's hard to imagine that any parents would come up with an idea like that on their own. “Judging the parents isn’t the point, asking if this procedure should be performed on other children IS.”

Yes, the parents probably acted on the advice of an ethics-impaired doctor. It’s hard to imagine that any parents would come up with an idea like that on their own.

]]> By: Ed http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-713 Ed Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:55:51 +0000 http://mumisthinking.autiblogger.com/2007/01/18/stuff/#comment-713 Good Post Mum is Thinking, And just when I was learning to comment without opinions. Many people dont realize (at least not in the U.S.) to what degree certain systems (such as the mental health system) is set up to create conveinience for parents or sometimes (what is called) safty for the public. Many people dont realize to what degee the system is geared toward this and NOT to help the individual that would recieve the treatment. Certainly in case where people may be a threat to others the publics safty is important and must be a priority. How children like this are treated is somewhat different but it again reflects a similar attitude. People need to understand how rarely such systems are geared toward creating help for the person recieving the treatment and how often the system is geared toward what is thought to be best for the public or in this case the parents. Even if people say its whats best for the child, that needs to looked at while keeping in mind where proiorities usually are in cases like this. Individual rights need to be protected and cases like this show that they often arent. In a case like this that involves a parent and this kind of treatment, I agree, its not so much about these particular parents or even this particular case. Its more about weather we as a society are going to focus on what is conveinet for parents or weather we are going to focus on the rights of the individual and make sure that the person recieving the treatmant is going to be given what is best for them. In this case I dont think what was best for the person receiving the treatment was seen as the top priority at all. Good Post Mum is Thinking,
And just when I was learning to comment without opinions.
Many people dont realize (at least not in the U.S.) to what degree certain systems (such as the mental health system) is set up to create conveinience for parents or sometimes (what is called) safty for the public. Many people dont realize to what degee the system is geared toward this and NOT to help the individual that would recieve the treatment.
Certainly in case where people may be a threat to others the publics safty is important and must be a priority.
How children like this are treated is somewhat different but it again reflects a similar attitude.
People need to understand how rarely such systems are geared toward creating help for the person recieving the treatment and how often the system is geared toward what is thought to be best for the public or in this case the parents. Even if people say its whats best for the child, that needs to looked at while keeping in mind where proiorities usually are in cases like this. Individual rights need to be protected and cases like this show that they often arent.
In a case like this that involves a parent and this kind of treatment, I agree, its not so much about these particular parents or even this particular case. Its more about weather we as a society are going to focus on what is conveinet for parents or weather we are going to focus on the rights of the individual and make sure that the person recieving the treatmant is going to be given what is best for them.
In this case I dont think what was best for the person receiving the treatment was seen as the top priority at all.

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